Quest for yellow for gum prints

[R Shaffer]

I would be curious as to what some of you are using for your yellow pigment for gum. I started with Lemon Yellow, for both tri-color and regular (?) gum prints. It just seems to scream YELLOW. I read somewhere not too long ago about Quinacridone Gold as a good warmer alternative. So I have tried it out and looks much better in the emulsion, but after processing it seems to loose a lot of it's warmth.

Any suggestions? What's your favorite yellow?

[sly]

Lemon Yellow is what I've used for bright sunny yellow, Yellow Ochre has worked well for me for a warmer yellow.

[R Shaffer]

I really really like the yellow ochre in your gum print in the gallery. I think that is much closer to what I'm looking for.

Thanks

[Colin Graham]

I really like PY150, nickle azo yellow. It comes out of the tube like a yellow ochre, but clears to a warmish transparent yellow that's not too green or too orange. Blends well with quinacridone violet and 'thalo red shade, but I've only tried the M Graham version. Looks nice over cyanotypes as well.

[R Shaffer]

I really like PY150, nickle azo yellow. It comes out of the tube like a yellow ochre, but clears to a warmish transparent yellow that's not too green or too orange. Blends well with quinacridone violet and 'thalo red shade, but I've only tried the M Graham version. Looks nice over cyanotypes as well.

I just looked up this paint on handprint and my Quinacridone Gold is its cousin and has the PY150 along with quinacridone violet, and quinacridone maroon.

In reading the description, I'm beginning to think that perhaps I am using too little pigment ( or exposure ) in my gum mix to get the warmth it is capable of. I'm usually around .6 to .8g per 10ml gum.

Ok, this gives me a whole new line of thought to consider. Maybe, hmmmmm

Thanks Colin.

[Don Bryant]

I would be curious as to what some of you are using for your yellow pigment for gum. I started with Lemon Yellow, for both tri-color and regular (?) gum prints. It just seems to scream YELLOW. I read somewhere not too long ago about Quinacridone Gold as a good warmer alternative. So I have tried it out and looks much better in the emulsion, but after processing it seems to loose a lot of it's warmth.

Any suggestions? What's your favorite yellow?

My favorite yellow is New Gamboge by M. Graham. It's no longer made though and I'm about to run out so I'm looking for a replacement. Gamboge is too orange.

Guess I'll try Nickle AZO Yellow and M. Graham's AZO Yellow which I have in stock.

[R Shaffer]

My favorite yellow is New Gamboge by M. Graham. It's no longer made though and I'm about to run out so I'm looking for a replacement. Gamboge is too orange.

Guess I'll try Nickle AZO Yellow and M. Graham's AZO Yellow which I have in stock.

Don,

That sucks. I think it is probably worst to have a pigment you like be discontinued, than just searching for one you like. I almost grabbed a gamboge when I picked up the quin. gold, but these pigments are expensive and I resisted the urge.

[R Shaffer]

I really like PY150, nickle azo yellow. It comes out of the tube like a yellow ochre, but clears to a warmish transparent yellow that's not too green or too orange. Blends well with quinacridone violet and 'thalo red shade, but I've only tried the M Graham version. Looks nice over cyanotypes as well.

O.T. - Colin,
I pilfered your QTR carbon curve off the carbonworks site. I'm going to a carbon workshop with Vaughn this weekend and plan to give it a go. Thanks for sharing it, I'll let you know how it goes.

[Colin Graham]

Thanks for giving it a try Rob, I've always been curious if it would work for anyone else's workflow. Would be interested in hearing your results either way.
Have fun at the workshop, you couldn't pick a better teacher.

[dwross]

I really like Hansa Yellow Medium, sometimes with a bit of Hansa Deep or Hansa Light, depending on the image. The Hansa set blends with the rest of my colors to make a very good rendition of a GretagMacbeth ColorChecker chart. (I use Daniel Smith watercolors.)

[R Shaffer]

I really like Hansa Yellow Medium, sometimes with a bit of Hansa Deep or Hansa Light, depending on the image. The Hansa set blends with the rest of my colors to make a very good rendition of a GretagMacbeth ColorChecker chart. (I use Daniel Smith watercolors.)

That looks like another good choice, especially for tri-color.

I am quickly beginning to understand why you need an MFA just to figure out what paint color your buying. As I have researched these various colors and compared them to what I have I see that the Schmincke Lemon Yellow I have mostly been using is in the yellow-green range. Definitely not what I am after.

Where-as the hansa yellow medium, nickle yellow and discontinued gamboge are in the orange yellow range ( mucho better ). I have only made a couple of prints with quin gold, but it and the yellow ochre are earth yellows which look to be much closer to what I want. Gonna give my gold a few more tries.

Part of the problem is that I really really try to buy as many supplies as I can from my local independent art suppliers. So I can get Schmincke or Winsor & Newton, both quite good pigments, but rarely do they have the exact color I am looking for. So I pick one I think is close ( NOT ).

This time I am going to call them and special order the specific color if they don't have one of these in stock.

Thanks, these have been great choices and quite a learning experience.

[Colin Graham]

Maybe try mixing a warmer version of your existing paints with some orange or other tinting. I usually disperse full 15ml tubes of paint in 75ml of gum so they are easier to measure for custom, repeatable tints. Another thought is to try a warmer paper stock if you aren't getting the tones you want.

I like using local supplies as well, and I'm very fortunate to have a local stationary store that sells M Graham paints cheaper than Dick Blick.

[R Shaffer]

I've tried that a couple of times. Part of my problem is that I am really pathetic when it comes to colors, what can I say, I'm an engineer. I've tried making paint little paint dabs on scraps.

When I did the gum workshop last summer, I just used pigment mixes created by the artists in the class. They always made too big a batches and had plenty extra. :)

[PVia]

My favorite yellow is New Gamboge by M. Graham. It's no longer made though and I'm about to run out so I'm looking for a replacement. Gamboge is too orange.

Guess I'll try Nickle AZO Yellow and M. Graham's AZO Yellow which I have in stock.

Daniel Smith has a New Gamboge that is very nice...

[gmikol]

I am quickly beginning to understand why you need an MFA just to figure out what paint color your buying. As I have researched these various colors and compared them to what I have I see that the Schmincke Lemon Yellow I have mostly been using is in the yellow-green range. Definitely not what I am after.


Rob--

A pleasure to meet you this weekend...I didn't get a chance to mention it, but if you're not already familiar with it, check out:

http://handprint.com/HP/WCL/waterfs.html

Bruce MacEvoy has done extensive research on watercolor pigments, with detailed discussions about a large number of them. Even within a given pigment family, he'll discuss which brands are more red, or more green, etc. Very enlightening, IMO.

--Greg

[Don Bryant]

Daniel Smith has a New Gamboge that is very nice...

Thanks Paul I'm been thinking about trying it.

Don

[PVia]

Rob--

http://handprint.com/HP/WCL/waterfs.html

Bruce MacEvoy has done extensive research on watercolor pigments, with detailed discussions about a large number of them. Even within a given pigment family, he'll discuss which brands are more red, or more green, etc. Very enlightening, IMO.

--Greg

That's a great site. I've been going there for years for pigment info...even when I do things (hush!) non-photographic.

[R Shaffer]

Rob--

A pleasure to meet you this weekend...I didn't get a chance to mention it, but if you're not already familiar with it, check out:

http://handprint.com/HP/WCL/waterfs.html

Bruce MacEvoy has done extensive research on watercolor pigments, with detailed discussions about a large number of them. Even within a given pigment family, he'll discuss which brands are more red, or more green, etc. Very enlightening, IMO.

--Greg

Ciao Greg,

Yea, that is the site was researching on. Wonderful amount of info there, but almost overwhelming. I'm pretty useless when it comes to colors.

It was a pleasure meeting you & fun workshop. Make sure and post some of your results from all those tissues you scored.

Rob

[sam]

I had a bottle of Boucour Hansa yellow that I used for many years and it worked great - easy to disperse and good color, etc. When it got depleted I had a hard time finding something similar. I guess I'll try the Daniel Smith brand next.

Sam